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CHUCK D: On this album. I might just bug out on the nextone. But when I bug out, it's going to hit 85 to 90 per cent of theplaces. It might not hit here [points to New York] at all. But give methe rest, I'll take it. Fear of a Black Planet was the mostsuccessful album we had--not because of all the hype and hysteria. Itwas a world record. Because of all the different feels and thedifferent textures and the flow it had, I can do it--get the samefeeling [more pointing] here, here, here, here, you know what I'msaying? Just in L.A., a kid is breaking down the rappers fromdifferent areas and he says, "Public Enemy, man, ain't even like y'allfrom New York. It's like y'all from somefuckingwhere--like, you'refucking everywhere." I say, "Well, we are from everywhere, and itreflects in our music, and it reflects in our lyrics, you know." I'm aperson--I ride on Greyhound through the middle. I ride Greyhoundthrough Arkansas and Arizona. I'll sit on Greyhound for hours justlistening to my music, look out the window and write, you know. Yo, Ijust drove--went down to Disneyworld. I could drive like--see, there'salways a job in the business. Let's say they say, "Chuck, you out ofthe business," man, I'll be a bus driver. I know the fucking roads,man.
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CHUCK D: Well, sometimes I just like to go in my fuckingbasement and just fucking watch fucking TV or videotapes. I can'treally watch too many movies. I usually like watching sports. I watchsports, you know--
CHUCK D: 'Cause I see the fucking results of it. And you gotto have a structure in the society, in the school system, that's ableto say well, this is the right, and this is the wrong. We could saythat families are supposed to do it, but we ain't got family the wayit's supposed to be. So I mean, we've got to go to a school orstructure that can teach us family.
CHUCK D: I'm saying, you know, people have to be taught howto do certain things. And then, let's go back to the music, thepositive and the negative. A guy's going to talk negative shit becausethat's what he sees. Rappers only talk what they know. I mean,sometimes you've got people going off into the fantasy world, like theGeto Boys when they talk about mind playing tricks on me, Chuckie andstuff like that, and make analogies saying, well, you can't talk aboutme because, hey, all those fucking crazy movies coming out an nobody'sgetting any heat for that. But we have a double-edged sword hangingover our head, a guillotine, that's saying, well, we do this, we'regoing to be followed--you know, people going to do this shit inreality. And I believe that.
'Cause, I mean, everywhere I go, I mean, I go to prisons, and, youknow, brothers--if they get no guidance from zero to 16, they're goingto follow something that can relate to them best. And if something canrelate to them best that they really, really like, they're going tofollow it. They're going to say, "I got to kick this motherfuckertonight." Boom, boom, boom. And later on, they'll be like, "Damn,damn." Like that brother that got to go to the fucking joint now forkilling that Jewish guy. And ain't nobody fucking behind him now. Hegotta go to the fucking joint. He gonna get fried. Somebody didn'ttell him to put his brain in gear. Now he's gotta suffer theconsequences. I feel sorry for him. Because I've talked to a lot ofbrothers in jail and usually brothers in jail are in forimpulse. Boom!
That's why I started talking about the "1 Million Bottle Bags."Because I tell you a lot of shit be starting off because of distortedthinking like, damn, usually brothers that know each other, be likedrinking. They be like, "What you say?" "I ain't say shit, man." "Yourfucking mother." And then somebody got a fucking nine or Uzi in theterritory, and the shit escalate to even a higher pitch, couple ofpeople in there going, "Yo, just, chill, chill, chill." And sometimesyou get, you know, "Fuck that, motherfucker." And it all be startingup because motherfuckers is fucked up.
CHUCK D: Yeah, I mean I briefed it on him. You know, hesaid, "Yo, man, just trying to get out of it." Trying to stop it, buthe's contracted. I said, "Yo, Cube, hey, there ain't nothing againstyou, I mean, it's your thing, your guilt thing, but you should havehad quality control." The people at St. Ides said, "Well, we reallyrespect you Chuck D, you know." I told 'em I don't respect y'all, fucky'all. I see the results. I'm not just fucking reading stats. You'rein the black community, you can run, you can't hide. There ain'tnowhere you can go and live and say, well, I'm going to be far awayfrom it. Nowhere.
I'm seeing results whether it be Memphis, Houston, St. Louis,Chicago, Detroit--it could be the smaller fucking cities. I'll takeyou right in the 'Velt, Roosevelt--one square mile. Got 14 delis inthere, and every single deli got Ice Cube's poster. The people say,"Well, why do you give so much of a damn?" Because I've got to live inthis motherfucker. And I'm grown. Once you're over 18, fun and gamesgot to be put to number three. Responsibility and business got to beone and two and you can have fun and games and shit, but once youunderstand those number one and two things, you understand that funand games are being played on your ass. I tell motherfuckers in aminute, you can be hardcore and be positive. Thieves and pimps andmurderers, man, motherfuckers got to pay a penalty. The problem isthat some white boy coming in and trying to remedy the situation andwe need to start doing it ourselves. The more grown people you havethat understand they're adults and take control of their community,the less bullshit you have coming in. And you used to have somethinglike that until quote unquote so-called integration.
This stuff should be coming to people when they're three,four. Especially young black males, three, four, seven, eight. And itgotta come every day. That's what the father does, is supposed todo. I mean, my pops had to work, but my pops was able to give it to meat the right time. And I think the key is in the black structure insociety. We have to rebuild the black man, young black males got tobuilt to be men. And then you will start seeing a clearer picture, youknow. It's a lot more simple than it is complex.
And I think that's something that definitely got to be taughtthrough the school systems. I mean a lot of things have to be taughtto us. Once again, I go back to slavery. Slavery has done a lot offucking detriment, where it's almost irreparable unless we're going tofucking eight-hour-a-day training sessions that satisfy our intellectbut also satisfy our wants and needs, you know. I mean, mentally andphysically. School's got to be school. And a school for black people,black kids, definitely it got to be different from white kids.
The remedies and how it can get done is all in the government'shands. We talk about reparations, I'm not talking about sendingeverybody a fucking $10,000 check. If you went outside and gavemotherfuckers $10,000 each, those motherfuckers wouldn't know what thefuck to do with it. I'm saying, you got to have a fucking trainingprogramming medium so people will be able to say, well, damn, now I'mbeing taught to think.
CHUCK D: I don't think the government wants to see thathappen. First of all, they're saying we're only 10 per cent, so wehave to submit to whatever goes down. But we're a growing quoteunquote 10 per cent. And in order for them to satisfy black people inthe year 2000 they better come up with some shit. They already came upwith a result of genocide that got us fucking each other up. I'msaying, we need to come out of that dead zone. We come out of thatdead zone then we can talk about plan two, three or four. It's eithergot to be his way or it's going to be fucked up, it's going to becrazy. That's why I said, "Welcome to the Terrordome." I wrote thatrecord at the end of '89, to signify the Terrordome is the 1990s. It'sa make-it-or-break-it period for us. We do the right thing, we'll beable to pull into the 21st century with some kind of program. We dothe wrong thing, the 21st century is going to be gone, there'll be nocoming back.
But Public Enemy's just one fucking thing. I'm only onemotherfucking person. And I'm saying to each and every black person,you look in your family--it might not be your immediate family--you'regonna find either murder, drugs, alcohol abuse, and disease, or jail,somebody getting jailed. I'm saying you can run but you can'thide. Which means that everybody gotta be able to at least workforward or try to remedy the situation.
CHUCK D: No, no, of course not. There's no one motherfuckerthat can change the world. I'm saying that my fucking job as an adultis just to make sure that my community is all right for me--orwhoever, a child or adult--to live in.
CHUCK D: My father had his own business at 40 after he wentthrough the same bullshit in the white corporation, and he was workingin the corporation for 20-some-odd years and all of a sudden they hada fucking attitude of, you know, well, maybe he could go somewhereelse.
CHUCK D: If you look into cities, cities are just placesthat say, come on up from down there so we can put y'all in one area,stack y'all on top of each other, we'll make it easy for you to getyou a job. And that's why we're catching so much hell in citiestoday. People are saying, "What about the Crown Heights thing, theBrooklyn situation?" I say, Brooklyn's a fucked up place to be. Theshit ain't right for you. The place is getting packed and packed, moreand more, they stacking people on top, and there's no way to fuckinghave a clear fucking type of thinking there, you know, when you're alltight with everybody. And then when you've got two fucking communitiesjust getting bigger and bigger, forcing into each other, shit's goingto break wild if everybody don't get no explanations on how to takecare of themselves. The city ain't never been right for us, you knowwhat I'm saying? I always look back, like in Africa, we were alwaysnomadic people. You know, shit get crazy--go, move, you know what I'msaying? Get the fuck on out of town. 041b061a72